Episodes

Wednesday Oct 07, 2020
On the Shelf for July 2019 - The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast Episode 113
Wednesday Oct 07, 2020
Wednesday Oct 07, 2020
On the Shelf for July 2019
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 113 with Heather Rose Jones
Your monthly update on what the Lesbian Historic Motif Project has been doing.
In this episode we talk about:
- Call for submissions for the 2020 LHMP audio short story series. See here for details.
- Call for submissions for Bi Bookish Babe's anthology of stories about lgbtq+ women in history. See here for details.
- Recent and upcoming publications covered on the blog
- Ehrenhalt, Lizzie and Tilly Laskey (eds). 2019. Precious and Adored: The Love Letters of Rose Cleveland and Evangeline Simpson Whipple, 1890-1918. Minnesota Historical Society Press, St. Paul. ISBN 978-1-68134-129-3
- Abbouchi, Mounawar. 2018. “Yde and Olive” in Medieval Feminist Forum: A Journal of Gender and Sexuality, vol 8.
- Roos, Lena. 2017. “Cross-dressing among medieval Ashkenazi Jews: Confirming challenged group borders” in Nordisk judaistik / Scandinavian Jewish Studies vol 28 no. 2. 4-22
- Blud, Victoria. 2017. The Unspeakable, Gender and Sexuality in Medieval Literature 1000-1400. D.S. Brewer, Cambridge. ISBN 978-1-84384-468-6
- Morrison, Susan Signe. 2017. A Medieval Woman's Companion. Oxbow Books, Oxford. ISBN 978-1-78570-079-8
- Lowerre, Sandra. 2004. “To Rise Beyond Their Sex: Female Cross-Dressing Saints in Caxton’s Vitas Patrum” in Thomas Honegger (ed). Riddles, Knights and Cross-dressing Saints: Essays on Medieval English Language and Literature. Peter Lang, Bern. ISBN 3-03910-392-X
- Book Shopping for the blog
- This month’s author guest is K.J. Charles
- This month’s essay topic is: Singlewomen and what they suggest about lesbian possibilities
- New and forthcoming fiction
- Amazons: The Sanctuary of Themiscyra by Leïla Hedyth
- 20 Hours to Charles Town: Madame Elvira's Magnificent Excursions by Charlotte Henley Babb
- Between Boat and Shore by Rhiannon Grant (Manifold Press)
- The Women of Dauphine by Deb Jannerson (NineStar Press)
- The Tattooed Witch by Jules Landry
- In My Heart by Bette Hawkins (Bella Books)
- Delayed Rays of a Star: A Novel by Amanda Lee Koe (Nan A. Talese)
- Secrets Well Kept by Lynn Ames (Phoenix Rising Press)
- The Haunting of Heatherhurst Hall by Sebastian Nothwell
- The Vampire's Relic: A Gothic Paranormal Romance (Read by Candlelight Book 5) by Gillian St. Kevern
A transcript of this podcast is available here.
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)

Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
By Her Pen She Conquers by Catherine Lundoff
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 112 with Heather Rose Jones
The second story in our 2019 fiction series: "By Her Pen" by previous LHMP author Catherine Lundoff.
Catherine is an award-winning writer, editor, and publisher from Minneapolis. She is the author of the queer werewolf novel Silver Moon and the collection Out of This World: Queer Speculative Fiction Stories and is the editor of the fantastical pirate anthology Scourge of the Seas of Time (and Space), as well as having a number of published short stories in many genres. She is also the publisher of Queen of Swords Press, a genre fiction publisher specializing in fiction from out of this world.
A transcript of this podcast is available here.
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)
Links to Catherine Lundoff Online
- Website: Catherine Lundoff
- Website: Queen of Swords Press
- Twitter: @clundoff
- Twitter: @qospress
- Facebook: Catherine Lundoff

Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Emily Dickinson Goes to the Movies
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 111 with Heather Rose Jones
Was famous American poet Emily Dickinson a lesbian? The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast looks at her life through the lens of the movie camera, and especially the current film Wild Nights with Emily.
In this episode we talk about:
- Different understandings of Dickinson's life
- The process of mythologizing and de-mythologizing
- The usefulness of different angles on a historic figure
- What we loved in Dickinson movies...and what we didn't like quite so much
- Movies about Emily Dickinson
- Other shows mentioned
- Books mentioned
- Poems mentioned
- This topic is discussed in one or more entries of the Lesbian Historic Motif Project here: Emily Dickinson
A partial transcript of this podcast is available here.
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)
Links to Trystan L. Bass and Frock Flicks Online
- Website: Frock Flicks
- Email Frock Flicks
- Twitter: @FrockFlicks
- Facebook: Frock Flicks

Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Book Appreciation with Anna Clutterbuck-Cook (part 2)
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 110 with Heather Rose Jones
In the Book Appreciation segments, our featured authors (or your host) will talk about one or more favorite books with queer female characters in a historic setting. This time we had so much to talk about we split it into two episodes.
In this episode we talk about:
- What is Anna looking for in f/f historical romances?
- Rich backstories and complex social networks
- The default assumption that women’s lives can only exist in relation to men, and how this affects even f/f fiction
- What were the shapes of women’s lives in history and how could f/f stories fit into those spaces
- The ways in which many popular m/f and m/m historical fiction tropes don’t fit f/f lives and relationships
- Constructing a “ladder of intimacy” for female characters that feels true to women’s lives
- How do historic definitions of “sex” affect how we imagine f/f sexuality in historical fiction?
- Why is actual sex so often absent in f/f fan fiction?
- Embedding sex scenes in the particularity of the characters’ lives and experience
- The conflicting tensions in reader reactions around sex scenes--is it “romance novels without sex” or “non-romance novels with romantic elements”?
- Embedding queer historic characters in a community of marginalized identities
- K.J. Charles and Cat Sebastian as authors creating series of connected novels that build queer community over time
- The misperception that queer “happily ever after” is unhistorical
- Writing characters as part of an existing queer historical continuum--the example of Charlotte Cushman
- Looking for stories with feminism and intersectional identities: non-white characters, disabled characters, non-privileged characters *
- Promoting diversity as readers and identifying our own biases
- Are women inherently uninteresting? The problem of “himpathy”.
- Books mentioned
- All the Single Ladies: Unmarried Women and the Rise of an Independent Nation by Rebecca Traister
- ”A Sweet Yuletide” by E.E. Ottoman
- Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado Perez
- Beauty and the Clockwork Beast by Nancy Campbell Allen (m/f)
- Kiss of the Spindle by Nancy Campbell Allen (m/f)
- The Soldier’s Scoundrel by Cat Sebastian (m/m but has secondary f/f couple)
- RWA racism and homophobia letters controversy (blog by Ivy Quinn)
- LHMPodcast on Charlotte Cushman
- Sins of the Cities series by K.J. Charles (m/m)
- Mrs. Martin’s Incomparable Adventure by Courtney Milan
- Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny by Kate Manne
A transcript of this podcast may be available here. (Transcripts added when available.)
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)
Links to Anna Clutterbuck-Cook Online
- Website: The Feminist Librarian
- Twitter: @feministlib
- Archive of Our Own: elizajane

Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Book Appreciation with Anna Clutterbuck-Cook (part 1)
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 109 with Heather Rose Jones
In the Book Appreciation segments, our featured authors (or your host) will talk about one or more favorite books with queer female characters in a historic setting. This time we had so much to talk about we split it into two episodes.
In this episode we talk about:
- How the pricing structure of lesbian romance can form a barrier to general readers entering the market
- Decoding how to find books that hit your sweet spot when entering a new reading community
- How the history of lesbian small presses shapes price and content expectations
- Some comparisons between f/f and m/m book communities
- How latent sexism in the romance market affects the acceptance of f/f stories
- Popular m/m and m/f romance authors putting a toe in the waters of f/f romance--what does it mean for f/f-only authors?
- How do we overcome barriers to cross-promotion between siloed reading communities, when recommendation networks don’t overlap
- Lesbian publishing as a “walled garden”--the ups and downs of curated spaces
- Dealing with cross-gender motifs in historical fiction
- Complications of gender and sexuality in historic societies
- How to identify with characters without owning them--resource scarcity and contested spaces
- Three models for communicating queer content in books: the donut shop, the whisper network, and the detailed menu
- Fan fiction and learning acceptance of multiple readings of a text
- Gender dynamics in fan fiction and the distribution of f/f stories
- Envisioning independent women in history--how the sexism of popular media lies to us about the lives of historic women
- Fan fiction generations pre- and post-Xena
- Books and Resources Mentioned
- ”That Could Be Enough” by Alyssa Cole
- f/f fiction by K.J. Charles
- f/f fiction by Jordan Hawke
- The Ripped Bodice (bookstore)
- Smart Bitches Trashy Books (website and podcast)
- ”Black Widow, Scarce Resources And High-Stakes Stories” by Linda Holmes (NPR essay)
- ”The Mazarinette and the Musketeer by Heather Rose Jones
- Anna’s f/f fan fiction for Downton Abbey and Upstairs Downstairs
- Archiev of Our Own
A transcript of this podcast may be available here. (Transcripts added when available.)
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)
Links to Anna Clutterbuck-Cook Online
- Website: The Feminist Librarian
- Twitter: @feministlib
- Archive of Our Own: elizajane

Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
On the Shelf for June 2019 - The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast Episode 108
Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
On the Shelf for June 2019
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 108 with Heather Rose Jones
Your monthly update on what the Lesbian Historic Motif Project has been doing.
In this episode we talk about:
- My recent conferences
- Recent and upcoming publications covered on the blog
- Frankfurter, David. 2001. “The Perils of Love: Magic and Countermagic in Coptic Egypt” in Journal of the History of Sexuality vol.10 no. 3/4 480-500.
- Horváth, Aleksandra Djaji?. 2011. ‘Of Female Chastity and Male Arms: The Balkan ‘Man-Woman’ in the Age of the World Picture” in Journal of the History of Sexuality vol. 20 no. 2 358-381.
- Sienna, Noam (ed). 2019. A Rainbow Thread: An Anthology of Queer Jewish Texts from the First Century to 1969. Print-O-Craft, Philadelphia. ISBN 978-0-9905155-6-2
- Loughlin, Marie H. 2014. Same-Sex Desire in Early Modern England, 1550-1735: An Anthology of Literary Texts and Contexts. Manchester: Manchester University Press. ISBN 978-0-7190-8208-5
- Ehrenhalt, Lizzie and Tilly Laskey (eds). 2019. Precious and Adored: The Love Letters of Rose Cleveland and Evangeline Simpson Whipple, 1890-1918. Minnesota Historical Society Press, St. Paul. ISBN 978-1-68134-129-3
- Abbouchi, Mounawar. 2018. “Yde and Olive” in Medieval Feminist Forum: A Journal of Gender and Sexuality, vol 8.
- Perret, Michele. 1985. “Travesties et Transsexuelles: Yde, Silence, Grisandole, Blanchandine” in Journal of the History of Sexuality 25:3 pp.328-340
- Book Shopping for the blog
- Illicit Sex: Identity Politics in Early Modern Culture edited by Thomas Dipiero and Pat Gil
- The Single Woman in Medieval and Early Modern England: Her Life and Representation edited by Laurel Amtower and Dorothea Kehler
- The Unspeakable, Gender and Sexuality in Medieval Literature 1000-1400 by Victoria Blud
- This month’s guest is Anna Clutterbuck-Cook
- This month’s essay topic is: Emily Dickenson in movies
- New and forthcoming fiction
- Clio Rising by Paula Martinac (Bywater Books)
- The Rhythm of the Tide: A lesbian novel by Lia Curling (self-published)
- An Impossible Distance to Fall by Miriam McNamara (Sky Pony Press)
- A Lady's Guide to Celestial Mechanics: Feminine Pursuits by Olivia Waite (Avon Impulse)
- Louisa (Trumbull Family Saga Book 8) by Jenn LeBlanc (Illustrated Romance)
A transcript of this podcast is available here.
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)

Monday Oct 05, 2020
Monday Oct 05, 2020
The True History of Catharina Vizzani
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 107 with Heather Rose Jones
This is the exciting and somewhat surprising story of an 18th century Italian woman who received a surprising level of acceptance for her sexual orientation, both from her parents and from an employer.
In this episode we talk about:
- The outline of Catherine Vizzani’s life
- Readings from the English translation of her biography, in all their 18th century glory
- The full text of the 1755 English translations of Catherine Vizzani’s biography can be found here.
This topic is discussed in one or more entries of the Lesbian Historic Motif Project here:
A transcript of this podcast is available here.
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)

Monday Oct 05, 2020
Monday Oct 05, 2020
Historic Lesbians on the Screen: What We Love
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 106 with Heather Rose Jones
The folks on the Lesbian Talk Show facebook group tell me about their favorite lesbian historical movies and miniseries
Movies Mentioned
- The Favourite (2018)
- Gentleman Jack (2019)
- Wild Nights with Emily (2018)
- Tipping the Velvet (2002)
- Fingersmith (2005)
- The Handmaiden (2016)
- The Secret Diaries of Miss Anne Lister (2010)
- If These Walls Could Talk 2 (2000)
- Vita and Virginia (2018)
- Orlando (1992)
- The Hours (2002)
- Packed in a Trunk (2015)
- Carol (2015)
- Reaching for the Moon (2013)
- Albert Nobbs (2012)
- Aimee & Jaguar (1999)
Interview by Elizabeth Andersen with Madeleine Olnek about Wild Nights with Emily on The Tenth Voice
A transcript of this podcast is available here.
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)

Monday Oct 05, 2020
Interview with Molly Tanzer - The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast Episode 105
Monday Oct 05, 2020
Monday Oct 05, 2020
Interview with Molly Tanzer
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 105 with Heather Rose Jones
In this episode we talk about:
- Finding inspiration in 18-19th century literature
- Queer themes in historic literature and how they are erased
- Exploring the decadent movement and gender-flipping The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde
- The complexities of signaling queer content in mainstream books--are queer relationships spoilers?
- Cultural intersections in Vermillion and why there aren’t any sequels at this point
- Shifts in the social landscape in how authors approach gender, sexuality, and cultural background
- Molly’s attraction to 18th century settings, being inspired by historic aesthetics and artistic movements
- Conversations that manifest in artistic output
- The roots of the modern novel in women’s literature of the 18th century
- Trying to write in the current political climate
Molly’s Books
- Creatures of Will and Temper
- Creatures of Want and Ruin
- Creatures of Charm and Hunger (forthcoming in Spring 2020)
- Vermillion
- Rumbullion (novella) - 18th c “Rashomon with fops” (male protagonist)
- The Pleasure Merchant - 18th c (male protagonist)
Other books mentioned
- The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde
- A Shadow Over Innsmouth by H.P. Lovecraft
- Pamela: or Virtue Rewarded by Samuel Richardson
- Clarissa: or the History of a Young Lady by Samuel Richardson
- Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe
- Don Quixote by Miguel De Cervantes Saavedra
- The Tale of Genji by Murasaki Shikibu
A transcript of this podcast may be available here. (Transcripts added when available.)
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)
Links to Molly Tanzer Online
- twitter: https://twitter.com/molly_the_tanz
- fb: https://www.facebook.com/mollytanzer
- instagram: https://www.instagram.com/molly_tanzer/
- website: http://mollytanzer.com

Monday Oct 05, 2020
On the Shelf for May 2019 - The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast Episode 104
Monday Oct 05, 2020
Monday Oct 05, 2020
On the Shelf for May 2019
The Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast - Episode 104 with Heather Rose Jones
Your monthly update on what the Lesbian Historic Motif Project has been doing.
In this episode we talk about:
- Presenting research from the LHMP at the Kalamazoo Medieval Congress
- The LHMP has a Patreon!
- Get ready to think about the 2020 fiction series
- Recent and upcoming publications covered on the blog
- Commentary of Dinshaw’s Getting Medieval
- Accusations of male and female sodomy in the church
- Love magic in early Egypt
- Formal cross-gender roles in the Balkans
- Book Shopping for the blog
- Early 20th century love letters
- Abbouci, Mounawar ed. and trans. 2018. Yde and Olive. In Medieval Feminist Forum: A Journal of Gender and Sexuality, Subsidia series vol 8. Medieval Texts in Translation 5.
- Memoire pour Anne Grandjean, connu sous le nom de Jean-Baptiste Grandjean, Accusé & Appellant. Contre M. le Procureur Génêral. Accusateur & Intimé. 1765. Louis Cellot, Paris.
- This month’s author guest is Molly Tanzer (for real this time)
- This month’s essay topic is: TBD
- New and forthcoming fiction
- Two Wings to Fly Away by Penny Mickelbury (Bywater Books)
- The Confessions of Frannie Langton by Sara Collins (Harper Collins)
- Proper English by K.J. Charles (self-published)
- The Railroad of Threads Riva Zmajoki (self-published)
- The Lady and Her Secret Lover: a Lords of Time story by Jenn LeBlanc (Illustrated Romance)
- Precious and Adored: The Love Letters of Rose Cleveland and Evangeline Simpson Whipple, 1890–1918 edited by Lizzie Ehrenhalt & Tilly Laskey (Minnesota Historical Society Press)
- Ask Sappho: Anonymous asks “Why doesn’t the LHMP ever talk about trans lesbians in history?”
A transcript of this podcast is available here.
Links to the Lesbian Historic Motif Project Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com/lhmp
- Blog: http://alpennia.com/blog
- RSS: http://alpennia.com/blog/feed/
- Twitter: @LesbianMotif
- Discord: Contact Heather for an invitation to the Alpennia/LHMP Discord server
- The Lesbian Historic Motif Project Patreon
Links to Heather Online
- Website: http://alpennia.com
- Email: Heather Rose Jones
- Twitter: @heatherosejones
- Facebook: Heather Rose Jones (author page)